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We will be having a raider’s interest meeting and meeting to discuss the next raid tier, Battle of Dazar’alor, this Thursday, December 20th at 4pm server (7pm est). It will be held in place of our normal mythic run. Please try to attend if you are looking to continue raiding with us, or are looking to start raiding with us. The meeting will take place in the raiding Discord voice channel.
I’ve never seen a turnaround quite like this one, and I think I speak for every raid lead when I say how incredibly impressed we are with our team. We killed MOTHER in 3 tries (2, really, because we had an early wipe-call when people died on a crossing), which is a massive upgrade from the 52 previous tries. Normally when we down a boss, we continue to struggle on it for a few weeks. This was a welcome relief.
As a result we got our first look at a new boss on mythic, Zek’vos.
Zek’vos has overlapping add packs and overlapping darkness with deceit. We’re going to need steady coordination for calling out who needs external healing cooldowns / defensives, and making sure people run as far away as possible (not simply dropping to the side).
We also suggest getting comfortable using a microphone for this fight. It’s highly likely that now more than ever, you will need to call out when you need external heals or when you’re using interrupts.
We’re also going to be auditing interrupts much more closely. What’s important is not whether or not you are interrupting, but whether or not you are interrupting out of turn. If someone calls out they they’ve got “next”, and you cut them off, there’s a potential that both your AND their interrupts go wasted, and a cast might go off next time. Also, don’t interrupt early. They only stand around casting and re-casting, so interrupting them late ensures there’s more time for our interrupt rotation to recover. Those with ranged interrupts (like Balance druids) will be saving theirs for the 3rd add, which overlaps with the darkness (pain donuts).
Tanks did a good job moving the boss around, but he needs to be moved much quicker. Consider starting to move him when the add is at 85-90% HP instead of it being at 90-95% hp.
Little adds are going to need to die faster. If you’re running the same talents you ran on MOTHER, chances are you’re doing it wrong. Certain individuals will be told to instead swap to a full AoE build, even if it means they output less boss damage. (In phase 3, you can probably expect them to be the first people to pick up an orb to go down as well, since they won’t be single-target specced for boss or person damage).
Save displacements like typhoon, ring of peace, etc for when the little adds coincide with the darkness.
Friday was a pretty decent clear. We downed all the way up through G’huun, which is the farthest we’ve gotten on Heroic in one sitting.
We definitely has issues of boss-tunneling. As a baseline comparison, I had a 316/320 ilvl character in on heroics (it’s a balance druid, because I am the height of originality). Through all of our wipes, I did more damage to the Hexers than 3 other DPS, including one ranged. I did more damage to the crusher than 6 DPS including one ranged (though melee DPS are not able to DPS her for as long as others). I out-DPSd 3 ranged DPS on Ichors. I didn’t out-DPS anyone on crawgs.
Guys, that’s bad. Some of you are in the 360, 370 range. A 320 boomkin without an offhand should not be out-DPSing anybody on priority adds, especially not other ranged DPS (melee get a slight pass, especially on Crushers, but still).
A few of us swapped to our mains to down Zul, but as Zex pointed out, we shouldn’t have to. We shouldn’t have to swap to overpowered 380 geared characters just because some of you have no concept of prioritization on targets and are stubborn.
Now, some folks were new to heroics that night, or hadn’t done the fight with us before even on normal. That’s OK! I expect you guys will get more comfortable with looking around for these adds in the future. However, there are some people who have been around the block who don’t have an excuse. I won’t name names, but you know who you are.
TLDR:
We took a few hours instead of LFR and then picked up the remainder on Sunday to kill Illidan for the weekly and do something fun and different. It was a long slog and I think it made some of us appreciate how much trash has been cut out of raids (though if you ask me, Blizz took all the raid trash and threw it in dungeons instead), and how blissfully short modern raids are compared to the olden days.
On account of some internet issues I missed the first hour of alt night.
Every boss was a 1-shot, including G’huun. We had a few new orb runners and they did wonderfully. People listened well to directions given and we have high hopes for our newcomers.
On account of the holiday, no raids on Thursday and Friday. Feel free to PUG, watch videos, or take a week off.
This weekend, the usual Saturday LFR is cancelled and we will be doing Black Temple timewalking instead during that time slot. Since this only comes up once every six months or so, it seemed like a great idea!
Come get your transmog, Demon Hunters 😉
We’re going to ignore Oct 30 – November 5 and pretend it never happened.
It took us a few tries to get Taloc down. We had some problems with lasers or getting knocked off by the bloods. Generally however, Taloc is as easy on Mythic as it is on other difficulties.
We had some very good pulls on MOTHER with very little downtime between them. We also adopted a new strategy of pulling the boss, resetting, and running into the room to stack right next to the wall. This made the initial transition much cleaner. Crossing became easier over time as we settled into the specifics of knowing when to cross, how, and making sure not to move too far after crossing over.
We still had mishaps caused by lag or improper use of defensives, but we’re really getting the “step 1” part down. Arguably, this is the second hardest part of the fight.
After crossing, we need to kill adds. I will say that this week was generally pretty good. We had casts get off on occasion, but on account of smoother crossings we also had smoother add kills.
We also got better about standing near the wall to melee MOTHER through it. Pets will harmlessly cross through, treants and other summoned abilities can do damage, and of course even casters can safely whack her with a staff! This smidgen of DPS may not seem important now, but you’d be surprised how much it helps later…
After crossing MOTHER into Room 2, dodging mechanics there is pretty easy for us. Then, it becomes a waiting game of knowing when Spirit Link is back off cooldown and making sure we’re ready.
The transition from Room 2 into Room 3 is the most dangerous transition and the hardest to achieve. We need a good setup and we need everyone on the same page.
The yellow line on the left is the wall between rooms 2 and 3. The unhappy face is MOTHER. The silver crescent is Quetzie, marked with the Moon over her head to people know where to stack in Room 1 and now.
During the final Wind phase of room 2, players need to be nearby – but not directly against – the wall of Room 3. Many times, players are spread incredibly far across the room – even close to the wall of Room 1! They’re never going to make it to the Room 3 wall in time. Instead, during the final Wind phase, drag your character over to Quetzie. Line up with her. She’ll be standing nearby the Room 3 wall, with MOTHER between her and the wall. After the final fire is cast (not before!), the group books it to the wall, throws down all defensives and heals, and crosses as a quick succession – ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR – just like we do in Transition 1.
If all goes well – and so far it only has a small handful of times – we’ll be in Room 3, casting lust, and gunning down the adds, then treating Room 3 just as we did Room 2.
It all came together, however – in the nick of time.
We moved up to #11 on the server and remain #1 Horde.
By the way: Remember what I said earlier about DPSing through the wall? We killed MOTHER when her room was at 94% full. That left us with mere seconds left for a kill.
Or, as expressed by Miatreeleafa on stream seconds before we got her:
Also, congrats to Tusker for hitting a gold parse on the kill:
For those curious: we had 51 wipes on MOTHER, or 45 not counting the “week we don’t speak of”. We really only had 2 nights spent working on her, so that’s not so bad!
Because we had a saved lockout from last week, we jumped right into G’huun.
We only had 5 pulls that were what I will call “net garbage” as a result from orb mishaps in phase 1. We had many pulls reach well into phase 2 and 5 into Phase 3, with 3 pulls at 90 and higher. We comped down and swapped some people around due to mechanic failures, and had a few missteps but not many. Our kill was clean, however – once again we had nobody die until Phase 3.
Congrats to our new AOTC title holders: Deathhoss, Eviandrae, Avianne, Nari, Lillithh, and Sylvvannas.
After G’huun, we went to Ripblade’s lockout: he had an opening on Zul and Mythrax.
Zul was a 1-shot, which has never happened before. Everyone was very clean. Interrupts on Hexers, downing Crushers fast, the tanks did a good job at dropping their debuff, and ranged stacked mid. We had a good transition, too. Hopefully we can emulate this in future weeks.
Mythrax was a little less clean (to say the least). We actually had both tanks die, resed one, and he dies again. Fortunately, we had enough DPS and HPS to keep the fight going for a kill.
Alt night is slowly but surely transitioning into more and more Heroic bosses. We went on Normal first, skipping the first three bosses. In future weeks we’ll be continuing to up this number.
Normal is almost boring at this point, even 2 healing it as we were sometimes. G’huun we needed more healing and had a few problems with orb runners (mostly healing issues and a miscommunication with new runners). But it only took us 3 tries.
Taloc and Mother on Heroic were 1 shots. We did move MOTHER into room 3, which is unusual for us on heroic, but we needed the practice transitioning.
On account of having a post-MOTHER lockout, we spent some time Sunday and after alt night on Monday farming BoEs. We’re happy to announce that we got 5 Mythic BoEs and 1 random-drop BoE. This windfall ensures that we will have plenty of money in the guild bank, and thus the repair allocation for Vanguards and Gladiators has been increased. Hopefully we can make this a recurring event as we continue to kill bosses on Mythic, and then will be set for quite a while.
As you might be aware, MoD is now on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. We’re holding a contest for anyone who follows us and submit their MoD stories! You may have already read Deiselboy’s account, so it’s time to share yours!
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Thank you to everyone who participated in tonights BOE Farming event. We scored two Uldir mythic level BOEs which will be sold to help fund guild repairs. As a result, guild repair allocations for gladiators and vanguards have been increased!
Thank you everyone who has contributed to the guild bank repair fund by either donating raid BOEs, gold, or items for me to sell on the auction house. More guild bank repair funds means more guild bank repair allocations for everyone, and I hope to increase the repairs again soon. All the guild bank money goes solely to fund guild bank repairs. It is not used for any other purpose.
Just a reminder, we do have a mythic Uldir BOE farming event tonight at 6pm EST. Please try to be available to attend. You do not have to be a mythic raider to participate. The purpose of this event is to collect Uldir mythic BOE drops for sale on the auction house to fund more guild repair allocations.
Sunday at 3pm PST / 6pm EST, we will be farming Mythic Uldir trash for BoEs.
This is not a “personal farm day”.
All BoEs that drop during this time are to be given to Urostek so that we can deposit all funds into the Guild Bank. As it’s been previously mentioned, we are tearing through guild repairs at an alarming rate. Selling some Mythic BoEs will help stave off the slow drain that happens in an expansion where gold is hard to come by.
We will be forming at least one, preferably two groups, and farming over the course of several clears. Kill all trash, walk out, reset, repeat, until we either lose our minds or enough BoEs drop that we feel good about our potential bank deposits.
Because we are only clearing trash, anyone who feels they can survive the trash is welcome to come. You don’t have to be Mythic or even Heroic geared to join in. We encourage everyone to join us, regardless of whether or not you intend to raid. Guild Repairs benefit everyone!
I updated the Vanguard Donation document.
New this month:
I removed a few donations and slightly reorganized the page as well.
Note that Blue items are currently being sent to Urostek, and Yellow items will be sent to Quetzie. Green items remain Lineda donations.
Remember: You only need to sign up for 1 spot, but you can always send multiple stacks of items anyway.
If you’re ever unable to find the link to this document, remember that you can find it on the left-hand box on the Raiding Home page under the “Required to Raid” heading.
Taloc took two attempts to down; we lost a priest early because the definition of “loosely stack” middle was…well, taken loosely. After we restarted the fight and settled that, it was relatively smooth sailing.
Much like G’huun last week, I’ll be doing a breakdown of some of the problems on MOTHER.
Some of these stats may be a little misleading (purposefully getting hit by mechanics to die on a wipe call) so it’s important to pay attention to the information as a whole; a person who lives the longest throughout a fight, but has high laser or sanitizing strike damage / hits, probably hit them to wipe easier.
Also, some people weren’t present for all pulls. Sheekey doesn’t need to worry about some stats, while Neko should pay closer attention to overall trends.
Depending on comp, we’re going to come up with a stun order for this week. We routinely lost Plutonic and Wendal to melee damage from 15 adds. This means people were using stuns right off the bat without paying attention to other CD uses. We’ll work on this so it doesn’t happen!
A number of people are getting hit by wall beams (usually on the room 2-3 transition), but several more are getting hit because they don’t move quickly enough. The ceiling beams are also deceptive – people will stand in the correct spot, but then move out of safety before the ceiling beams reach the floor (usually because the wall beams have passed, they feel “safe”).
Not all hits resulted in deaths, but it’s an undue amount of damage that the healers have to take care of during an already tricky movement fight. There won’t be a lot of damage going out as long as people are properly following mechanics.
We’ve taken to calling out “STAY!” when the wall beams pass, but we don’t always remember.
Remember also that wall beams move sooner than ceiling beams. Move into a place of safety for wall beams, THEN move into the ceiling beam location if you aren’t at one yet. If you bee-line for the safe spot of both, you’re liable to get hit with a laser or two.
Behold, glorious Quetzie artwork.
If you’re standing at the bisect of green and red, run along green (to the bottom of the picture) and THEN run to the ceiling safety location. Running alone the red (diagonal) will kill you.
Sanitizing strike should be easy for most ranged people to dodge, unless a tank points it at them. Melee will often have trouble resulting from wind + SS being tough to get around.
SS is also a common way to die when there is a wipe call; if your name is high on the list, check to see if/when you’ve died from the spell. For example, I died to it 3 times – all at 92% or more into the fight. This likely means it was a wipe call, and my actual hits were 2 rather than 5.
There are two instances of purifying flame: one caused by swirlies on the ground after MOTHER casts Sanitizing Strike, and one caused by the fire when winds are active. I did NOT track the winds one.
Given our strat, some incidental damage is expected at the start. However, as long as we’re smart, we can avoid most of the incoming flame damage right away.
Behold, more glorious Quetzie artwork.
If we all stack tightly together (red in this image) and move left when flame goes out, we’ll be able to avoid all of the damage from PF. You can move left and move into the wall when called out to do so.
Even with our strat, some people are just getting hit more than expected. Try to dodge PF, even within spirit link. Sitting and taking the damage is just causing unnecessary stress on people.
If your name is not on the left, you never used a healthstone. If your name is not on the left (or is very low) AND your name is high on the right, you really need to fix this.
There are a few takeaways I have at a glance.
Neko, Belle, and Telann are a bit SoL on account of being Cleansing Purged a few times. Wendal and Plutonic are dying early to excessive melee add damage through no fault of their own, but are still popping Healthstones to try to survive the onslaught. Hopefully a good stun rotation will prevent those early deaths.
Hoss is the second highest healthstone user, but is in the top 10 earliest deaths. This likely means he needs to position better for mechanics like lasers (see also my doodle above), but Hoss is working extremely hard to stay alive in the event that he does fail a mechanic (mostly, I blame being a fat tauren death knight for those failures). Melee with low movement tend to suffer on this fight, so it’s important to peel away from the boss early to find better positioning for lasers when we call out that they’re coming. On the other hand, Kamahl doesn’t show up on the left at all, and died around the same time as Hoss in fights. If he used healthstones, it’s possible – even probable – that he could have lived significantly longer each fight.
Conversely, Foxxie is the #1 healthstone user, but is one of the last folks to die in a fight. Partially this is because of healthstone usage. Jibbles, Tusker, and Quetzie are the top 3 survivalists, and also have high healthstone usage.
“But I’m saving healthstones for phase 3!”
Yeah well….fuckin’ don’t. We’re progressing. If more of us live to see room 3, then we can start to worry about saving healthstones for that room. In the meantime we never got a proper rotation in room 3, so it’s a bit of a bust to save the stones for it.
At the end of the night we were getting into room 3 with some success. We need to time our crossing better to not overlap with wind, and save stampeding roar for the occasion if there are lasers to get to. The entire group crosses at once, so every big cooldown should be used (except healthstones – pop those when you’re out of spirit link!)
This week we tried something new, and started on Heroic Fetid. Taloc and MOTHER are easy to PUG on heroic now, and we’re starting on them for alt night (since normal heroic and mother were skipped regardless).
We had smooth sailing on Fetid, Zek, and Vectis, as usual. We practiced the Mythic strat on Zek’vos for moving the boss to each marker. It’s going to take some getting used to, but it’s good for us to do it now.
Zul gave us some expected problems. We tried the zerg strat a few times, which failed (not unexpected). We also realized that part of the failure was resulting from Laser Matrix, which is uncontrollable when a person soaking a pool stands too close to a hexer. We abandoned zerg strat because Blizzard is apparently an italian company full of spaghetti code.
We also experimented with changing lust times; initially we’d been lusting after Locus, then remembered that our successful kills had us lusting beforehand. Lusting to kill a crusher before Locus was the smoothest we’ve gotten. At that point, it’s on the tanks to run out stacks, pallies not to BoP the tank in the middle, and healers not to dispell people in the middle of the room (because those fear adds are nasty). We still got him down – our second Zul kill.
Mythrax was sort of a mess. Too many people stacked too tightly at the start of the fight. Not enough interrupts went out. Our DPS was spread too far and too thin, resulting in adds unable to be cleaved down. A second attempt resulted in our second kill. Everyone was alive at the end of it and it was extremely clean. A very good feeling!
G’huun we looked at only very briefly; we have a few people we want to practice orb running in the meantime.
We went into Heroic Taloc and MOTHER, since we skipped them on friday. After that, we went back to normal and did Fetid+.
For the first time, we one-shot everything AND came in under the two hour mark.
There’s some concern lately that guild repairs are putting too much of a drain on the bank. Urostek has put some of his own money into the bank a few times, which is not fair to him when we all rely on it so heavily.
A few ideas have been tossed around. One is selling all Mythic BoEs and putting proceeds in the guild bank. Another is selling all heroic or normal BoEs, but letting those who get mythics keep them. Another is selling Mythic BoEs and putting a percentage of sales in the bank. Another is to schedule farm nights after we down MOTHER to try to get BoEs just for the purpose of filling the guild bank. Still other ideas are farming old raids or selling potions / flasks / etc to guildies as a discount and putting that in the bank.
If you have thoughts or opinions on the matter, post in the raiding discussion discord channel. We’re all ears!
I’m behind on both the raiding attendance page and the audit sheets. Don’t worry, that’s a penalty on me, not on you!
There are a couple of new guild ranks. Warlord will remain for our Raid Leaders, but a new rank, Warbringer, will be for the PVP Leaders. The Guild Praetor position was condensed with the current officer rank, Legati. All the other guild ranks are unaffected.
If you raid, or want to raid, speak to a Warlord.
If you PVP, or want to PVP, consult a Warbringer.
Do not forget about the guild’s Hallow’s End Transmog Contest currently underway at: http://ministryofdefense.net/halloween
